, surgical procedure, they canceled his health insurance, and my right wing conservative republican california brother was praying for the day when medicare kicked in. he had no coverage and couldn't afford to buy it. so when you extend the medicare eligibility age, i clearly want to fill that gap with coverage, affordable, accessible health insurance for those who were in their 60s and are going to need that coverage even though medicare isn't officially onboard. >> is that going to cost more money? we all want to make sure that people out of work don't die of heart attacks because they don't have health insurance. we're not talking about expanding programs, we're talking about how we save medicare and medicaid because both of those programs are not only going bankrupt, they're going to bankrupt this country. how do we do that? you're telling us what you want to do to maybe add a new program. what do we do to save the existing programs we have from bankrupting the country? >> one thing is obama care, as much as it's been kicked around during the course of the campaign. the notion that we're g